The Intermod Problem on 146.64 from 147.24 K1UGM 04/15/2004 This page is a brief summary and history of some of the experiments and calculations k1ugm made on 64s interference problem with the 147.24 repeater, and a rough up-date of recent work done on 64
· Definition of the term Intermodulation Distortion : A form of interference involving the generation of interfering beats between two or more carriers according to the frequency relationship f = nf1 ± mf2, · where n and m are whole numbers (but not zero), with appropriate expansion for additional carriers · For additional definitions click on http://www.google.com/search?q=define:Intermodulation+Distortion · I've also Included an article I found in QST about Intermodulation which gives working definitions and methods for calculating the inputs and products and examples of fixing the problem · I've also included an email (see below) Sent to Andy 12/03/2002 giving experiments that I had carried out and some examples of successful things I've done in the past to clear up intermod in repeaters I've had the responsibility of servicing · Last but certainly not least I've included A rough update of some of the work carried out in the last few weeks |
Email from k1ugm to Andy on 12/03/2002 ; Subject Intermod on 64
Hi Andy ,
I just want to pass along some tests and calculations that I made on and for the 64 repeater concerning our noise problem and the 147.240 repeater.
The following equation is for the intermod product that I feel is most likely giving 64 the noise issue that 64 has been experiencing over the last several weeks.
From the model or theory; The most likely intermod relationship is
The Experiment;
The conditions
The Possible Solutions
Respectfully yours,
Jim k1ugm
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Brief Status 03/15/2004 k1ugm
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Intermodulation Reviewed QST May 1983 17 With examples for fixing the problem Please note the red lettered parts of the article A QST Article by David W. Potter, W1GZD |
What is Intermodulation and how do you cure it.
Intel-modulation (IM) is defined as the undesired mixing of two or more frequencies in a
nonlinear device, which produces additional sum-and-difference frequencies. Problems with IM seem
prevalent in the vhf and uhf bands, because amateur repeaters tend to
cluster around hills and mountain-tops in
close proximity to commercial and government vhf and uhf radio
services. The intermodulation problem has been understood for
years, but a review of the subject can be helpful. Types of Intermodulation The simplest kind of intermodulation is the mixing of two frequencies.
The equation for second-order IM
is fIM =fl ±
f2 (Eq. 1) where
fIM is the frequency of the IM product, and fx are the mixing frequencies. Intermodulation products are the sum and difference of
the two mixing frequencies. These are similar to the familiar products
deliberately generated by the mixing process used in super heterodyne receivers.
Note that if f1 and f2 are frequencies within
an amateur band fIM must be an out-of-band signal. Third-order IM products can produce both in-band and
out-of-band signals when f1, f2; and f3 are all in-band frequencies as
given by the equation flM = f1 ±
f2 ± f3
(Eq. 2) In-band signals are generated by the sum of any two
frequencies minus the frequency of the third signal. The out-of- band signal is the sum of all three frequencies. A
special case of Eq. 2 is
>>>>> fIM = f1 + f1 - f2
= 2f1 - f2 <<<<<<<
(Eq. 2A) Here,
the second harmonic of an in-band signal can beat with a fundamental
frequency to produce another in-band signal. Fifth-order
IM products are given by flM
= f1 ± f2 ± f3 ± f4 ± f5
(Eq. 3) with
special cases: flM = 3f1 ± 2f2
(Eq. 3A) fIM = 3f1 ± f2 ± f3
(Eq. 3B) fIM = 2f1 ± f2 ± f3
± f4 (Eq. 3C) fIM = 2f1 ± 2f2 ± f3
(Eq. 3D) Some fifth-order products are in-band and others are
out-of-band. Notice that second- and
third-harmonic signals may be involved. Odd orders of in-band mixing
frequencies produce some in-band products, but when out-of-band mixing frequencies
are involved, even-order products may fall in band! The above equations are valid for steady carriers, and
it is easier to understand the concept of intermodulation by using them. Most of the signals we deal with
are not steady carriers, however, but modulated ones.'
The bandwidth of an IM product may be wider than the' bandwidths of the individual signals.
This is because the instantaneous frequency of the product is the
algebraic sum of the instantaneous frequencies of the mixing signals.
For fm, it would be equivalent to
adding three voice signals together in a wide-band fm transmitter.
Assume that the audio amplitude is limited on each
signal to produce a deviation no greater than 5 kHz. When the
three signals are added together, they could produce an IM product having much greater deviation than any
of the individual signals.
Intermodulation may involve any number of frequencies, but
let's concentrate on the more common third-order Types. I will show some examples to make These abstract concepts more meaningful Field
Examples of Intermodulation
Consider - two repeaters that are physically located close to each other. One repeater transmits on 146.70 MHz, with a 146.10-MHz input, and the second has a 145.31-MHz
output and a 144.71-MHz input. Assume that the .31 repeater output causes
the .70 repeater first receiver stage to be driven into nonlinear
operation (overload). This means that mixing of all frequencies
seen by the first stage will occur.
Case 1: The .70 repeater is off, but the 31 machine is
operating and a local 145.50-MHz simplex signal is
present. The 31 repeater input and output signals and the simplex
signal mix to produce an IM product on 146.10MHz: 145.31 - 144.71 + 145.50 = 146.10 MHz.
This signal can key up the .70 machine, which will then repeat
both the .31 machine and the simplex conversation. We
will disregard the other IM products that are generated. Case 2:
The simplex station is off the air. The .31 machine is
repeating, and the input to the .70 repeater drops, but the output
is still up. An IM signal is produced: 146.70 - 145.31 + 144.71 = 146.10 MHz. The 0.70
machine will now repeat the signal from the .31 repeater until
someone overrides the IM signal — provided that the 0.70 repeater
doesn't time out beforehand. If the system gain is adequate, the
repeater could feed back on itself with a resulting characteristic audio howl.
Case 3: The 0.31 repeater shuts down. The input to the 0.70
machine drops, but the output is up and stays up. You may hear
another signal on the output, or the repeater may break into
oscillation. Why? You find a strong signal at 147.30 MHz that is' overloading the repeater receiver, causing
it 'to be nonlinear. The strong signal
mixes with the second harmonic of the repeater: 2(146.70)
- 147.30 = 293.40 - 147.30 = 146.10
MHz. This signal falls on the .70 repeater input.
These cases use the popular 2-meter band for illustration. Keep in mind
that intermodulation can occur on any
band, and can entail an endless combination of frequencies. |
Receiver as the Culprit Usually, the first stage of a receiver is the
one most likely to overload, causing susceptibility to intermodulation.
In some cases, however, later stages may be at fault. Receiver front-end nonlinearity occurs
at relatively low input voltage levels, so the signal power
involved is small. Therefore, the IM products generated
there are also low in amplitude. These signals are fed to the receiving Antenna
and are radiated. If you track down these weak IM signals, they will lead you
back to the receiver site! There is a big temptation to use a preamplifier to increase the
sensitivity of a receiver or the range of a repeater.
The use of these devices in
repeater service is strongly
discouraged. Preamplifiers may not have the dynamic range that early stages
of communications receivers have, and they usually lack the front-end
selectivity found on well-designed receivers. Therefore, they are
red-hot candidates for intermodulation.
Preamplifiers may generate signals on
the input frequency of the repeater, and users have to override these signals
in order to be heard. The use of a preamplifier can sometimes
degrade system performance! Reducing
Receiver IM Susceptibility
It is important to realize that it takes only one
signal, located anywhere in the spectrum, to drive
a circuit into nonlinearity, which
could produce IM products when one or more other signals are
present. In order to minimize intermodulation, your receiver circuitry should provide great attenuation to all
frequencies except the band of interest. The receiver
dynamic range should also be as large as possible. For this idealized
case, only a huge signal in the pass band
could possibly cause overload and nonlinear operation.
Any resulting IM signals falling outside of the receiver pass
band would be severely attenuated. Transmitter
as the Culprit Serious
intermodulation problems can be generated by transmitters when other strong
signals present on the antenna (and coupled to the final amplifier) mix with the
fundamental and its harmonics. Here the voltage and power levels are
much greater than those associated with receiver circuits, so relatively
strong IM signals may be coupled to me transmitting antenna and be radiated.
The transmitter final amplifier is
essentially an rf switch, and unless
it is operating Class A (which is uncommon) it will be a nonlinear stage. Class
C operation is more likely to cause intermodulation than Class AB1 because
it is more nonlinear, wide-band, solid-state
amplifiers with
low-Q circuits tend to be more susceptible to intermodulation than
are narrow-band, high-Q configurations. Reducing Transmitter IM Susceptibility Fm transmitter final
amplifiers are quite nonlinear,
and intermodulation can occur if other signals mix in this stage. The
Q of most final
stages is not high, even for tuned final
amplifiers, so the resulting
bandwidth is wide. Increasing circuit Q helps the IM problem, but it may be
undesirable for other reasons. Eliminating intermodulation in
transmitters is, therefore, more difficult than in receivers. The
use of a circulator is effective because It presents a very low
impedance to signals Going from the transmitter to the antenna, But
the high attenuation to signals going from The antenna to the
transmitter. Since the circulator must carry full transmitter power,
it is an expensive cure for inter- modulation. When duplexers are used at repeater
sites, a degree of attenuation is introduced for out-of-band signals, but this alone may not be sufficient if other transmitters are nearby. Conclusions In-band
intermodulation products will degrade
or destroy your station performance, in addition to interfering with
other amateur communications. Out-of- band IM
products may play havoc with non-Amateur Radio services. Further- more,
transmitting spurious signals, such as IM products, is illegal.
Conscientious operators are knowledgeable about inter- modulation
and ensure that their stations are free from it. Article
written By David W. Potter* w2gzd QST May 1983 17 OCR-ed from a copy of the article
was done by Jim Morris K1UGM
David W. Potter, W1GZD, is a spokesman for the Long Island CAME
Association (Group Against Malicious
Emissions). If it sounds like a hunting club, you're
right! The group is engaged in tracking down interference/or
local repeater clubs. David's inspiration to write this
article came about as a result of his involvement with the group.
Persons interested in working
with the GAME Association are invited to contact
him. |